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04.03.04 21:34
#26 Nix Neues
Gruß BarCode
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09.03.04 09:37
#27 ...auf lange Sicht
Mit der gemeinsamen IT-Plattform der 3 im Luftfahrt-Bündnis "Star Alliance" vertretenen Gesellschaften sollen Kunden künftig bei jedem Reisebüro, Call Center oder Automaten auch Tickets der jeweils anderen Airlines kaufen können. Auch Check-In und Boarding sollen bei jedem Schalter der drei Partner möglich sein. Der Bereichsvorstand Netzmanagement, IT und Einkauf bei der Deutschen Lufthansa AG, Köln/Frankfurt, betonte, dass die Initiative der 3 Fluggesellschaften später offen für die anderen 11 Star-Alliance-Partner sei. +++ Eddy Holetic
vwd/8.3.2004/eh/jhe
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18.03.04 15:03
#28 schön langsam könnte mal wieder eine
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18.03.04 15:09
#29 Vielleicht kannste ja an Deinem Geburtstag,
Oder aber Du brauchst dann den Alk zum betäuben des Verlustschmerzes...
Sorry für die unqualifizierte Meldung, wollte nur wg. Deines Nicknames rumrätseln :-)))
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18.03.04 15:24
#31 na, wenigstens ein Volltreffer,
Um aber auch mal was zur Sache loszuwerden: habe gleich nach den Anschlägen in Madrid meine Lufthansaaktien zur Hälfte verkauft, da ich seit ca. 8 euro dabei war und nicht zusehen wollte, wie der schöne Gewinn komplett den Bach runter geht.
Muß schon sagen, diese Branche ist wirklich sehr empfindlich, was Terror angeht und ich hoffe, AC ist nur ein kleineres Bonbon in Deinem Depot?
Konnte es mir - als leidenschaftlicher Luftfahrtfan - selbst nicht verkneifen, ein paar zu kaufen und sehe nun mit freudigem Interesse, dass selbst zu schlimmsten Zeit in der letzten woche die Teile kaum unter 26 Ct gerauscht sind. Könnte optimistisch stimmen, nicht wahr?! Als würde sie sich wappnen für ihren großen Auftritt Ende März (pünktlich zu Deinem Geburtstag...)
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18.03.04 16:13
#32 Bad News...
UPDATE - Trinity may scrap Air Canada deal over pensions
Wednesday March 17, 7:22 pm ET
By Jeffrey Hodgson
TORONTO, March 17 (Reuters) - Air Canada's (Toronto:AC.TO - News) planned emergence from bankruptcy protection ran into turbulence on Wednesday when its main equity investor warned it could walk away from the deal due to "union intransigence" over pensions.
Trinity Time Investments, controlled by Hong Kong businessman Victor Li, said it was reviewing its planned C$650 million ($485 million) investment because of a refusal by Air Canada's unions to discuss changes to the pension plan.
"By refusing even to discuss the issue, union leaders are now forcing us to reconsider the entire investment. If the numbers are not there, we will be forced to walk away from investing in Air Canada," Trinity director Harold Gordon said in a statement.
An Ontario court endorsed a restructuring plan in January that would give Trinity a 31 percent controlling stake in the airline, paving the way for Air Canada to emerge as a leaner, profitable carrier with stable finances.
Canada's dominant airline and the world's No. 11, has been under court protection from creditors since April 1 last year.
But Air Canada's unions rejected a request last month for a meeting over pension changes, saying the matter was not open to discussion. They said employees have already made enough economic sacrifices to help the airline restructure.
An Air Canada spokeswoman declined to comment on Trinity's latest move. But union officials said they were not impressed and Trinity was well aware of their stand on pensions when it fought to buy into the airline.
"That was a fair settlement and they knew about it up front," Pam Sachs, head of the union representing 6,500 Air Canada flight attendants told Reuters.
"We've said all along that if Trinity is not the right partner for Air Canada because they don't like the arrangements ... then perhaps Air Canada needs to find another equity investor."
Li's company was picked by Air Canada to be the leading equity partner after Trinity improved its original offer to overcome a competing bid from New York buyout firm Cerberus Capital Management LP.
"We expected this. We hope he changes his mind and, if not, I guess the challenge will be to find another investor. There were six or seven of them registered in the beginning," said Gary Fane, head of the transport section of the Canadian Auto Workers. The union represents more than 7,000 Air Canada workers, including ticket clerks and maintenance staff.
"We have absolutely no interest (in changing our position) and we're confident that he understood the arrangements before he decided to put forth his investment."
Don Johnson, president of the Air Canada Pilots Association, told Reuters the union negotiates with Air Canada, not Trinity. He also noted that Trinity knew about the pension issue when they bought in.
"If Trinity believes there's not enough money in it for them, I don't know if we can solve that problem for them, but don't play with us like this," he said.
"Our position, everybody has known it from day one. The line is drawn in the sand over pension. We gave up the money that we gave up, we gave up the working conditions. We agreed to layoffs, all in order to not touch pension. And we don't think that there's any reason to change that right now."
Air Canada currently has a defined benefit scheme, in which employees are guaranteed specific pension levels regardless of market fluctuations.
Trinity is pushing to switch Air Canada employees to a defined contribution plan, which would transfer the investment risk from the company to the employees. The proposal has been adamantly rejected by the unions.
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18.03.04 16:20
#34 tja , sind nicht
was ich hier leseheisst so viel wie noch mehr leute weg und den aufwand noch mehr runter zu schrauben.
was solls. wenn saniert werden muss ist das halt mal so
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PS: dem aktionär wird es gefallen, dem familienvater, der seinen job verliert, eher nicht.
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18.03.04 16:34
#36 Ich lese was anderes:
Und es geht nach meinem Verständnis nicht darum, wie viele Leute AC rauswerfen soll, bevor Herr Li sich zu seinem Investment herabläßt, sondern darum, die Betriebsrenten einzuschmelzen, bzw. die konjunkturUNabhägkeit der Betriebsrenten aufzuhebeln und das Risiko auf die Angestellten abzuwälzen, indem die Höhe dieser Zuwendungen von der Konjunktur abhängig gemacht wird.
Ich hoffe, es ist einfach nur chinesischer Poker und Li, der ja nun wirklich nicht überrascht sein konnte, dass die Betriebsrenten einmal in dieser Form vereinbart worden waren, sich immer noch ne fette Rendite verspricht, wenn er AC vor dem Konkurs rettet.
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18.03.04 21:00
#37 @lilith
ein betrieb mit geringen margen kann sich das auch über kurz oder lang bei uns nicht mehr leisten, sofern es überhaupt noch betriebe gibt, die betriebsrenten zahlen.
und die jenigen die eine zahlen, die haben auch so ihre klauseln.
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19.03.04 12:19
#38 Das ist interessant zu lesen, merci!
Wenn die Verhältnisse hier denen in Kanada ähneln (und auch das wäre eher logisch), müsste das ja bedeuten, die Gewerkschaft verteidigt ein Privileg der AC-Angestellten, das von den meisten Kanadiern als ungewöhnlicher Luxus empfunden wird? Wenn das so ist, könnte ich mir vorstellen, dass auch die AC-Angestellten vielleicht eher bereit sind, in diesem Punkt auch noch nachzugeben, wenn daddurch ihr Job gesichert wird.
Dann wär der HickHack also nicht minder ein Kanadischer Poker...
Gruß, Lilith
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19.03.04 14:19
#39 yep , so seh
natürlich muss man dieses ganze spiel auch nach oben so betrachten.
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PS: was haben die gewerkschaften davon, wenn sie auf biegen und brechen dagegen sind. man müsste natürlich jetzt genaue zahlen kennen, um welche beträge es sich handelt. aber wenn es sich beim einzelnen um einige ca-$ handelt, dann währe es doch dumm, wegen dieser beträge ein unternehmen auf spiel zu setzen, oder nicht????
es wird sich ja hoffentlich nicht um beträge von ein paar hundert ca-$ handeln nehm ich mal an.
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19.03.04 18:27
#40 Hier die gleiche Geschichte nochmal, aber
Trinity Time Investments, controlled by Hong Kong-based businessman Victor Li, is threatening to walk away from its C$650 million ($485 million) court-approved rescue deal for Air Canada because of "union intransigence" over the pensions issue.
Air Canada currently has defined benefit schemes, in which employees are guaranteed specific pension payouts regardless of market fluctuations.
Trinity is pushing to switch employees to defined contribution plans, which unions say would transfer the investment risk from the company to the workers.
The Air Canada component of the Canadian Union of Public Employees, which represents flight attendants, called Trinity's threat a "last-minute pension grab" that threatens the airline and its workers.
"It's meant to put fear and uncertainty into our members," union component president Pam Sachs told Reuters.
The Montreal-based airline's shares fell 9 Canadian cents or 8.4 percent to C$1.15 at midday on Thursday before closing at C$1.19 on concerns Trinity may act on its threat.
In a statement on Wednesday, Trinity said the unions' stance on the pension issue was forcing it to reconsider its plan to take up a 31 percent stake in the airline.
A pullout by Trinity would likely postpone the airline's plan to emerge from bankruptcy protection by April 30.
GE Capital Aviation Services, Air Canada's largest aircraft lessor, has told the court overseeing the restructuring that it is also concerned about the pension impasse. Some C$1.8 billion of financing from GE Capital hinges on the airline emerging from bankruptcy protection on schedule.
If Air Canada fails to complete the court-supervised restructuring of its costs and finances, it could face liquidation.
Unions representing the bulk of Air Canada's roughly 35,000 employees have flatly rejected Trinity's proposal and say the matter is not even open to discussion.
"That's their monkey, it's not mine," Sachs said. "They have created this problem."
"They are going to try to squeeze our members for every single drop they can get right up until this deadline."
"That deadline will move. It's moved two or three times," said Gary Fane, of the Canadian Auto Workers union, which represents 8,000 reservation and airport workers.
Canada's dominant airline and world No. 11, under court protection from creditors since April 1, refused to comment on Thursday.
"It's Trinity's release, we're not commenting on it," said Air Canada spokeswoman Isabelle Arthur.
The airline's pension fund has a C$1.3 billion ($1 billion) deficit.
Some big airlines in the United States, where labor laws are more lax, have already switched their pension schemes to defined contribution plans.
Air Canada's unions argue they made some C$1.1 billion of concessions last year during talks to cut costs at the airline, provided their pension plans would not be changed.
Gruß BarCode
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21.03.04 14:45
#41 @barcode
stimmen sie ohne zu kämpfen zu, stehen sie vor der belegschaft schlecht da.
stimmen sie dagegen, wird dieses unternehmen, so wie es jetzt ist, geschlossen. anschliessend wird sie wieder unter einem andern namen und vielleicht anderer führung wieder eröffnet, sowieso mit neuen bedingungen.
meine meienung ist, dass zuerst die gewerkschaften sich dagegen aussprechen werden, dasmit sie ihr gesicht bewahrt. dann werden verhandlungen geführt werden und ungefähr in der mitte , zur zufriedenheit aller wird man sich dann einigen.
natürlich wird sich jeder ein HINTERTÜRCHEN offen halten wollen.
aber ich denke mal, auch im interresse der belegschaft, wird sich die gewerkschaft einigen.
was hat man von hohen ansprüchen , wenn es das unternehemen nicht mehr gibt , bei denen man sie ansprüche hätte.
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26.03.04 09:40
#42 Fristverlängerung!
Laut Ernst & Young muss Air Canada mehrere Bedingungen erfüllen, damit der Gläubigerschutz aufgehoben werden kann. Zum einen muss die Gesellschaft ihre Pensionspläne ändern und die Zustimmung der zuständigen Behörden zur Finanzierung der Unterdeckung des Pensionssystems einholen. Zum anderen müssen die Verträge mit den Investoren Trinity Time Investments Ltd und GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS) abgeschlossen sein. Trinity zahlt voraussichtlich 650 Mio CAD für 31% an der restrukturierten Gesellschaft. GECAS finanziert die Sanierung mit 585 Mio USD und investiert weitere 950 Mio USD in die Finanzierung von Flugzeugen. vwd/DJ/25.3.2004/cn/jhe
25.03.2004, 25.03.
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26.03.04 09:44
#43 ..und etwas ausführlicher (leider in englisch)
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UPDATE - Air Canada says needs more time to restructure
Thursday March 25, 5:31 pm ET
By Robert Melnbardis
(Adds finance minister quotes paragraphs 20-21)
MONTREAL, March 25 (Reuters) - Air Canada (Toronto:AC.TO - News) wants more time in bankruptcy protection so that it can sort out a pension dispute between its unions and its key equity investor that threatens the insolvent airline's restructuring plans.
On Monday, the Montreal-based carrier will ask the Ontario court overseeing its restructuring to extend its protection from creditors by one month to April 30.
Air Canada, the largest airline in Canada and the world's 11th biggest, obtained bankruptcy protection on April 1, 2003.
The judge overseeing Air Canada's court process has warned that failure to resolve the pensions issue could jeopardize the airline's restructuring and that raises the specter of liquidation.
The key investor in Air Canada's restructuring is Trinity Time Investments, run by Victor Li, a Canadian citizen who is the son of Li Ka-shing, Asia's wealthiest businessman.
Trinity is investing C$650 million ($489 million) in Air Canada to take up a 31 percent stake in a restructured version of the airline.
Li has threatened to abandon his rescue plan for Air Canada if the airline's big unions do not agree to a switch in their pension schemes that they say would expose them to greater financial risk.
Robert Milton, Air Canada's president and chief executive, said he plans to meet Li in the coming days.
"Trinity is serious in its intent to reexamine the $650 million equity investment in Air Canada and as a result I will be meeting with Victor Li in the next week to review these matters," Milton said in a letter to employees on Wednesday.
Air Canada officials will not say exactly where and when Milton and Li plan to meet. "We're not going into that level of detail," said Air Canada spokeswoman Isabelle Arthur.
Unions for 85 percent of Air Canada's 35,000 staff, from pilots to mechanics, have refused to discuss Trinity's plan to change their pensions from defined contributions schemes to defined benefit ones.
The unions argue this would effectively transfer the investment and payout risk from the company to the workers. The plans are running a C$1.3 billion deficit.
Trinity says big U.S. airlines, rivals to Air Canada on cross-border and international routes, have already switched their pension plans to lower their costs and financial risks.
OBLIGATIONS EXCEED CASH
The April 30 date for Air Canada's exit from bankruptcy protection is important because Trinity's agreement to invest in the airline expires on that day.
Air Canada said in court documents it needs the one-month extension to finalize a timeline for its exit from the process. That includes submitting a plan to creditors on how much the airline is proposing they recoup on their original investment and setting a date to vote on it.
The airline said it expects to complete its revised business plan by Friday and release its year-end financial results on Wednesday. Analysts are forecasting a deep loss for the airline.
Financing agreements between Air Canada and General Electric Capital Corp. and its affiliates also hinge on the airline exiting bankruptcy protection by April 30. GE units are providing some C$1.85 billion of new funding for Air Canada to modernize its fleet.
A report released on Thursday by Ernst & Young, Air Canada's court-appointed monitor for its restructuring, said that at Feb. 29, the airline had accumulated C$1.5 billion of obligations since its bankruptcy protection filing. Those obligations exceeded its C$827.3 million of cash by C$692.1 million.
"When combined with the amount of post-filing advance ticket sales of C$503.6 million, the overall deficiency is significant and accordingly, the monitor notes that in the event the company's restructuring is not successful and the company is liquidated there will be limited assets available from realization to fund post-filing obligations," Ernst & Young said.
In Ottawa, Finance Minister Ralph Goodale said no special provision had been set aside for the former state-owned flag carrier airline.
"There's no contingency or other provision on the books at the moment. There are potentially existing programs within Industry Canada, for example, that may be relevant to a company in distress but there's no special provision," he said.
Transport Minister Tony Valeri said the federal government was still optimistic the airline would find a private sector solution to its restructuring.
Air Canada shares closed up 4 Canadian cents at C$1.32 in Toronto on Thursday.
(Additional reporting by Gilbert Le Gras in Ottawa)
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30.03.04 12:38
#44 Neue Frist: 15.4.!!!
Monday March 29, 5:34 pm ET
By Luke McCann
(Adds Air Canada plan for creditors meeting in paragraph 9)
TORONTO, March 29 (Reuters) - Air Canada's (Toronto:AC.TO - News) key equity investor, Victor Li, will decide within two weeks if he will go ahead with a C$650 million ($500 million) cash infusion to help the insolvent airline get out of bankruptcy protection, his lawyer said on Monday.
Li, through his Trinity Time Investments unit, plans to take up a 31 percent stake in Canada's biggest airline, and the world's 11th largest, but the Hong Kong-based businessman has threatened to walk away because Air Canada's unions have rejected his proposed overhaul of their pension plans.
Judge James Farley of the Ontario Superior Court increased pressure on Li on Monday by extending Air Canada's bankruptcy protection only until April 15, instead of April 30 as was requested by the airline.
"The employees have the most to lose so we need to know sooner than later what is happening," said Pamela Sachs of Air Canada's flight attendants union.
Li wants to change the company's underfunded pension plans so that investment risks would be borne by employees instead of by the company.
The unions say they have already agreed to C$1.1 billion in labor cost concessions in exchange of a guarantee that their pensions would remain intact.
But Trinity says big U.S. airlines, rivals to Air Canada on cross-border and international routes, have already switched their pension plans to lower their costs and financial risks.
Air Canada chief executive Robert Milton, who stands to receive a C$20 million bonus if Li stays on board, met with Li last week to try to solve the impasse, and both are continuing to talk, the court heard on Monday.
Air Canada said that if Li keeps its investments in the company, it would submit on April 15 a detailed timeline for the completion of its restructuring. That would include holding as soon as possible a creditor meeting to vote on a plan of arrangement to settle up to C$10 billion in claims.
BUSINESS TOUGHER THAN EXPECTED
Milton will also present a revised business plan to Li and Air Canada's board of directors on Tuesday that will reflect a darker than expected picture after a full year of restructuring under bankruptcy protection.
Milton warned employees last week the airline has failed to reap the expected labor-cost savings.
Air Canada, which carries two-thirds of Canadian domestic traffic, is facing stiffer competition from low-cost carriers WestJet Airlines Ltd.(Toronto:WJA.TO - News) and Jetsgo, while suffering from near-record high prices for jet fuel.
Dave Ritchie, vice-president of Air Canada's mechanics and luggage handlers, said employees will not accept another round of job and pay cuts.
Ritchie said Air Canada just has to find another investor if Li is not satisfied with Air Canada's financial prospects.
"There are a lots of people out there, and Li is just one of them," Ritchie said.
But further delays in Air Canada restructuring are also threatening C$1.85 billion in loans and aircraft financing that General Electric Capital Corp.(NYSE:GE - News) has agreed to with Air Canada.
Those agreements are conditional on the airline emerging from bankruptcy protection no later than April 30.
Air Canada has been operating under bankruptcy protection since April 1, 2003, and is expected to show a deep loss when it reports yearend financial results on Wednesday.
Its shares fell 9 Canadian cents, or 7 percent, to C$1.18 on the Toronto Stock Exchange (News - Websites) on Monday.
(Additional reporting by Charles Grandmont in Montreal)
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30.03.04 18:52
#45 was denn hier für ne verkaufspanik??
die gewerkschaften müssen erst mal ihr gesicht bewahren in dem sie dagegen sind. dann gehts hart auf hart. wie lin sagt. andere haben diese sanierungen schon durchgeführt , wird ihnen zur fortführung der fluglinie nicht viel anderes überbleiben.
das hört sich zwar hart an, ist aber unumgänglich. die gewerkschaften würden hier 1000sende jobs aufs spiel setzen. die fluglinie wird übernommen werden und dann sind die bedingungen meines erachtens noch viel schlechter als sie jetzt ausverhandelt werden können.
haben wir nicht alle einschnitte in kauf nehmen müssen die letzten jahre, dies ist keine europäische erscheinung, sondern eine weltweite. und um weiter zu existieren müssen sie halt opfer bringen. wenn ich es mir aussuchen könnte, würde ich lieber sinnvoll zurückstecken, als an irgend eine fluglinie angeschlossen zu werden, dann mit wahrscheinlich schlechteren bedingungen ,als jetzt ausverhandelt werden können.
mein fazit für die gespräche der nächsten wo. viel bla bla bla... und dann eine für jede seite vertretbare einigung zu gunsten aller hier beteiligten, besonders den arbeitnehmer.
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31.03.04 00:23
#46 Hoffe, du hast recht 310367a
"There are a lots of people out there, and Li is just one of them," Ritchie said.
So naiv kann ja wohl nicht mal ein Gewerkschafter sein, zu glauben, dass da massenhaft Leute da sind, die sich so ne marode und verschuldete Klitsche an die Backe binden wollen. Da ist wirklich ne Menge Kleingeld nötig, um den Laden wieder hochzubringen. Sieht wirklich nach Poker aus. Nur gut, dass der Richter jetzt Druck macht und eine Entscheidung erzwingt.
Gruß BarCode
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31.03.04 18:21
#47 Es tut sich was
Gruß BarCode
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31.03.04 18:24
#48 Ach ja: Und wenn 310367 dein Geburtstag ist
Gruß BarCode
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31.03.04 21:03
#50 vielen dank
gestern waren schöne einstiegskurse, heute gehts schon wieder ab. nachgekauft hab ich noch nicht, wart erst mal die entwicklung ab und schlag dann noch mal zu.
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